I was recently called out by one of our readers concerning a comment I made on my website stating: “You won’t find the brand names here – just call and ask us why!” The gentlemen went on to make some critically valid points and asked, “Instead of making people call you so you can ask those questions and force them to listen to a sales pitch, why not just put the reasons out on your web page? Why don’t you have them, is it because your beds are better than the big name brands?”
Great questions Richard! I guess when I wrote that… I was in an old school mindset. So here you go, no sales pitch, no BS. Enjoy!
Experience Has Taught Me Many Things
Since first selling mattress and box spring sets in 1993, my business and business strategies have radically changed. I have been fortunate to have sold the most common well-known brands including Tempurpedic, Sealy, Serta, and even Simmons. While working as an employee for Sleep Station located in St. Louis MO and also running my own business here in Arnold, MO, I witnessed the power of branding. Branding is having a recognizable brand name that people are familiar with and trust. For these people it makes the buying process a more trustworthy process. Like most smart business owners at that time, I to jumped head first onto the brand name band wagon. I wanted to claim my share of the mattress marketing gold.
I chose the trademarked brands Simmons and Tempurpedic, as I felt they had the most to offer. When you compared these brands to the others side by side they truly had the most unique feels, incomparable comfort and not to mention a support story that was incredibly different from all their competitors. Long story short, the business marriage of STL Beds and Simmons /Tempurpedic ended in divorce, and below are a few of the reasons for disassociating our company with with the big brand names.
The No Bullshit Reason Why I Do Not Sell Brand Name Mattresses
Loyalty – Money, money, money. Small stores like STL Beds typically have to pay for their display floor models, which seems fair until you see how it works with bigger, higher dollar retailers. Brand names often wield their power, money and influence by buying their way onto the showroom floors of mattress chains and big retailers. They do this by giving dealers expensive showroom displays, point of purchase and marketing materials, even complete the retailers selection of floor demonstration models to be used by customers to test rest. This is especially true when the mattress retail store commits their store to brand exclusivity. Additionally, many brand name manufacturers up the ante by paying cold hard cash to the retailer for their brand’s placement. Some go so far to commit to brand exclusivity meaning that one brand owns the entire company’s showroom floor space ultimately removing competition that can drive up prices to the consumer.
The Little Things
When we conducted business with Simmons, we fought them over every problem and for every penny. Unfortunately, at that time our little company wielded very little power or cash to leverage such deals. Instead, we utilized a small mattress competitor of theirs, Campbell Mattress. They were the David who helped us take on Goliath. They were very much interested in our showroom space, but also were attracted to the customer service and reputation that had built our small business into something special. As a result both STL Beds and our customers would receive more bang for our hard earned buck. Campbell was a small mattress manufacturer and they were very responsive giving my customers more bed for less money. One example of their mom and pop service came when I had forgotten to tie a mattress set into a pickup truck for a local delivery and it the mattress blew out of the back of the vehicle and was badly damaged. I merely mentioned the story to my sales representative and, without hesitation, she insisted on sending us a replacement at no charge. I couldn’t imagine Simmons doing that. As a matter of fact, I am sure that they wouldn’t of been so generous after the way they fought us over the little things, like a tiny mark or smudge that were sometimes found during simple warranty inspections. They sighted the warranty card and said it wasn’t covered due to the mark/ smudge even though the real problem(s) ( body impressions, learners, etc. ) were obviously covered by warranty. A replacement at no charge from Simmons would have been a pipe dream. The very same issues are common with other brand names, simply search the Internet for yourself. It won’t take long to realize this is an industry wide issue.
Expensive
There is extra expense associated with brand names. After all, someone ultimately pays for all that advertising and constant branding that leads to name recognition. Have any guesses who pays for that? Well the consumer does of course.
Mattress Monopoly
Over the last 20 plus years, companies like Sealy, Stearns & Foster, Serta, Simmons, and Tempurpedic were independent giants competing against one another within the huge category that is the mattress industry. Today, bank and investment group buyouts withing the giant category have created something most of us could not of imagined. What was once 5 individual manufacturers have merged into 2 enormous, uncontested industry Goliaths. These 2 huge mattress corporations are so big and so powerful that they not only control the industry, but have no significant competition to speak of much less be able to stand and effectively compete.
Nearly total domination by two companies.
The first is TempurPedic and Sealy which are estimated to control 65 percent of the U.S. mattress market as of 2011. Serta and Simmons are the others. Simmons ranked in third place among U.S. mattress manufacturers and is said to own around 15 percent market share according to Furniture Today and Wikipedia. Serta, Simmon’s sister company, also claimed a 15.7 percent share and over 30% when combined with Serta. When these two Goliaths are viewed in their totality, it has become very concerning. Questions have been raised by the F.T.C. and others whether their business structure is anti-competitive.
Poor Quality
Mattresses are not built like they were in the past. Simply pick one up and you should immediately notice the difference and more importantly you should be concerned. Why? Because weight is a reliable factor to help determine mattress quality.There is NO carbon fiber in mattresses LOL. Better quality high density foam holds less air. This kind of foam staves off an unwanted situation like softening, permanent compression and sagging. The end result is better to overall wear. Another fact is that while coil counts in mattresses may be increasing (a marketing gimmick), the actual amount of steel used to build the bed has decreased. I will say it again. (Decreased)
A brand name while recognizable does NOT guarantee buyers a higher quality product. More importantly, the building ingredients that goes inside your bed does. We only use quality construction materials, comparing these materials is the best way to determine if you are truly getting a quality mattress not comparing brands.
Two Sided Mattress are Obsolete
An industry trend started to take place in 2000 when Simmons led the way of building their mattresses in a one sided fashion. 1-sided mattresses cannot be flipped, and many believe that the trend of thicker fluffy mattress that can’t be turned over is “the” primary reason for shortened mattress life and body impressions. It is also believed that shifting to a one sided construction design dramatically cuts costs for the big S Brands and increases profits for their shareholders.
High Warranty Claims
Simply conduct a Google search for “Warranty Problems with (Insert Brand Name Here).” Also research websites like: The Mattress Underground, What’s The Best Mattress, and Sleep Like The Dead, and Consumer Reports. Were not even going to waste our time writing on this topic due to the amount of available information of the topic.
The Name Game
Possibly the most frustrating issue for consumers when shopping for a new mattress is the ability to find the same mattress with the same name at a competing store. We wrote an article on this topic explaining how comparable products made by the mattress builder are designed with different names, colors, and fabrics. The other parts remain identical allowing the retailer to avoid unprofitable comparison shopping and price matching. This allows the retailer to by claim theirs is different and uniquely theirs.
Tempurpedic
Just a quick story about Tempurpedic will sum up our experience with this company. After setting up several sales training meetings only to have no-shows and no cancellation calls, we managed to learn as much as we could. Ultimately frustrated with them, we dropped the mattress line. For over two years they continued to refer to us as an Authorized Tempurpedic Dealer frequently sending customers to us to see their beds. They were so out of touch with us they didn’t know or seem to care that STL Beds no longer displayed Tempur products. Of course, we shared our story with customers who unknowingly visited us thanks to Tempurpedic and told them the stories of poor customer service. Ironically it wasn’t a hard sell since they had just lived a dead end Tempurpedic dealer referral to a store that did not carry them anymore. Thank you Tempur Pedic!
Select Comfort
Founded in 1987, Select Comfort spent $101 million on measured media in 2004. The budgets and their competitors budgets are a nightmare. Money talks, but it doesn’t talk to me or my company and we are not being bought by said dollars. The question now is, can you be bought?
sorry, i am not very good at understanding this!! 🙂 i want one bed that will fit two matresses because my dad is disabled and can not sleep on the same mattress as my mum but they like to sleep together!!
can you help me please as to what i should do.
thank you 🙂
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Georgia, Your question has confused me. The topic is “Why We Don’t Sell “Brand Name Mattresses” I think we can help you but have a few additional questions to narrow down possible options. Please give us a call at the toll free number at the top of the page. Doug
Georgia and Douglas,
If this is of any help I do believe the terminology was the cause of the confusion. It’s very common (as you know Douglas) for terminology to be an issue in expressing desires. Please pardon me for the intrusion, but I believe I can be of help.
Georgia, I think you are searching for a mattress of two different types that meet the needs of your family members. The question attached to this post may have been a mistake however, the answer (to me at least) seems to be simple. No phone call needed. Mattresses (referring to the top softer layer of a set) and a box spring referring to the bottom layer that is most often identified by its composition (wood frame). Split mattresses are available, most commonly found in a King size. The box spring for most (if not all) King size mattresses is also a split size. Meaning two independent pieces (top and bottom). I have also seen this option in queen size mattresses. The customization usually comes in choosing a suitable mattress for each of the sleeping partners. Some very portable frame options also double as a box spring of sorts. (Eliminating the need for the bottom components I just mentioned.) Adjustable platforms are also on the market which also can replace a box spring and often offer the ability to raise and lower the head and/or foot of the bed.
I hope this helps! No offense intended! I was trained by multiple mattress manufacturers (a long time ago) and I couldn’t resist trying to contribute a potentially helpful answer!
Douglas, your website is great and I commend you for it! If you ever find yourself in need of any mundane assistance maintaining your website or simply editing it’s existing content for grammatical errors, please feel free to contact me! I’ve been a fan of your selfless contribution to the education of consumers for awhile now.
What is the best firm 9″ mattress you can suggest for queen pencil post bed?
Madeline, If you are using the mattress under an adult couple everyday I am not going to suggest a 9″ thick mattress these days. Generically most are not built with much quality, durability, comfort, or support in mind. If height is an issue consider premium mattresses that are thicker and use a low profile boxspring to solve issues concerning beds that are too tall. You did not include any details why you wanted a 9″ mattress so I assumed the problem was height of the bed. Hope this gets you in the right direction. Doug
My mother is 87 years old and 4’10” tall. She owns a Lillian Russell bed and needs a new mattress that will lower the height of the bed. If she uses a lower profile box springs then the wooden side rail are in the way of the low profile and changing the sheets are a challenge. Do you have a metal frame that would work with this bed and still allow us to use the head and foot board on this bed?
Do you know of any charities that donates bed to low income and disabled older people. I have Osteoarthrifis and im sleepi g on a ratty old couch thats causing me a great deal of paain in my back and right hip.
Debra I am sorry I do not know your local market. The best thing to do is to call your local churches and charitable organizations in your region. Hope this helps Doug
Rebecca, The answer is yes we have frames that can lower the bed. I do not know what a Lillian Russel bed is. Nor do I know what size she has? You also did not include if it had head and foot board or head only and whether they bolt or hook in? I am going to assume head and footboards that hook in. Queen use our queen F88002 Frame or for a full use our DRTF3 Frame. Might be best to call if you are not sure. Thnx Doug
Im a caregver to a 80 year old man that is in cronic pain daily from a bad back and arthritis. I would like your suggestion on a adjustable bed . Thank you
Hi Cindy, We offer several adjustable beds. If your client has specific needs and functions of the bed we need to go through those and see what power base might work best for him based on those needs. If you do not do this essentially it is a role of the dice. Obviously no adjustable bed makes the claim to fix a bad back or cure arthritis, they cannot they are not doctors. Look forward to working with you and your client. Doug
I am a 62 year old male. I have been using a full flow waterbed for about 45 years. As I get older it is becoming more difficult to get out of bed. I have tried regular mattresses over the years like when at a hotel or staying over with a family member. Each time I get very little if any sleep. Then back home to the old reliable waterbed. Is there a mattress that would suit me without being too expensive?
Terry, Everyone’s idea of what too expensive is differs and you didn’t include your budget. I will tell you this. Consider a baffled mattress with more support or perhaps a softside waterbed. They are so much easier to get in and out of no matter if you choose one with a full flow free flow mattress or fully baffled. Hope this gets you a start. Feel free to call and discuss other possible solutions if you do not want a waterbed anymore. Thank you for you question Doug
Just bought an 11″ mattress that sits on a 2″ padded board. My double size bed has a headboard and footboard and metal rails on each side, but no metal rail in the center. Should I buy a metal rail for the center? Or should I buy a plywood sheet and put that under my double size mattress? Or should I do both? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
Katherine, I am going to assume that what you mean by 2″ padded board is that you are actually referring to a bunkie board? To the best I can understand, This is what you described above… I do not know the construction of the bunkie board and what it actually requires underneath of it for support if anything. I can only tell you it is better to be safe than sorry. The more support the better and I do not believe their is nearly enough support underneath of this bed currently. Hope this helps. Doug
Question?
We have an Ornate Walnut Victorian Bed that is slightly over full size that has the slot type bed rail fastners.
Any idea of how could get it expanded to queen without damaging the value or look?
Thanks, Randy
Randy, If you have a traditional hooking styple head and footboard then yes our CV1L or our DRCV1L should allow you to use a full size head and footboard with a queen mattress and boxspring. As far as yours being wider, I do not know what you mean by that. Reach out to me by phone so we can discuss what you have and see if we can figure this out. Doug
We have a 5 year old mattress and box spring. The metal frame is the same age and has a support beam in the middle, they are all for a double size bed. We have noticed so much squeaking from the headboard which is 40 Yrs old. My husband has tried all the tips on fixing this and think we should just buy a new headboard.
Would this solve the problem, the noise is just coming from the headboard corners?
Thanks!
A few misspelled words in your article. Beware of your words of their, there, they’re. Misused in your sentences.
Heather, I appreciate that you took the time to point out the errors. We will get it corrected. I’ll be honest I am a 32 years salesman, not an English major. My primary goal is to do what so many other stores won’t or don’t do share my years mattress experience to educate the buying consumer. For the most most part people seem to be very forgiving and/or like yourself point out my boo boos so they can be corrected.
I simply share my knowledge and beg for forgiveness 😉 Thank you so much for your help. Doug Belleville STL Beds Manager
Doug, I am in the market for a king size frame and mattress for my daughter and son in law. They have a combined weight of approx. 750 lbs. they have never been able to sleep in a bed with a frame. They sleep on the floor. I really want to help them but I don’t know where to start. Please help. Thank you, Brenda
Brenda, Getting up of the floor is not easy for anyone. We would love to assist you. We have both mattress sets and bed frames that can accomidate the 2 of them. Simply reach out to one of my team members or myself at the toll free number located at the top of our web pages. Look forward to getting them up off the floor. Doug
I am 82 and the wife 79. We now sleep in a water bed that has a regular mattress in it. We have used this mattress for over 10 years and feel it is time for a new one. One problem we have is I must pull the mattress our of the bed in order to fit the bottom sheet on. This is becoming almost impossible for me. I measured today and the sideboard on the bed is 7 1/2 inches deep. Could I buy a foundation to go in the bed first and then buy a mattress that is not as thick as the one we now have to eliminate this problem.
Darby, I agree, most mattresses have seen better days by 10 years so that would probably be a good idea to get a fresh supportive comfy bed in there. As far a foundation you did NOT specify if you had a Cal. Queen or Cal. King. Either way finding a foundation / boxspirng to fit inside is going to be a challenge. My suggestion is to build up the decking inside the frame. You could use 2 x 4 or 2 x 6 etc. turned onto their sides like floor joists. Secure them and then deck them over with Plywood or OSB like you have in your waterbed now. You are essentially building a raised platform inside your waterbed. You can then place your mattress onto of the raised platform. Good luck. I hope this helps. Doug
Hi Doug…….I’m wondering if you truly can help me out. I’ve been through too many mattresses, and it’s always the same thing. Within weeks, not months or years, the mattress starts sinking in the middle lengthwise. Always. I weigh 180 pounds, not 300.
My most recent purchase that I’m looking to sell already…….Beautyrests black hybrid firm Tolliver, a very expensive mattress. Sinking, and leaving extremely uncomfortable sink holes wherever I finally fall asleep. I was told it would provide an even spread without the common and sought after memory “pits”. I have a bad back, and wake up sore as hell every morning. I’ve tried cover tops, etc. with no avail. I am not looking for a memory foam bed because I toss and turn all night, and cause further pain by rolling out of these pits.
The none memory foam spring mattresses collapse in the middle where I generally sleep, leaving the pit, where once again I have to roll out of that causes pain. I’d buy a bed from you in a heartbeat if you could give me a no-bullshit reply and solution.
As I won’t be checking this comment section because of forgetfulness, a reply by email would be great. Thanks.
Al
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Doug, why has a company not made a device that allows a queen box spring to be used on a upgraded king bed, like a spacer that is used to connect twin mattresses to a queen? Not feasible ? Having to discard these boxspring’s is a Waste! Thank you.
Nick, Because nearly every queen boxspring is designed as one solid piece. Kings are typically 2 pieces since they are bigger and will NOT fit up or around access areas like stairs, overhangs, and turns. Add to that MOST people don’t upgrade to kings (even though they should 😉 ) This will NEVER happen. Sorry
Hello Doug, My husband & I recently purchased a new mattress because we would wake up every morning with lower back pain & stiffness. We were advised after laying on several mattresses in a warehouse that a medium/firm would be the best mattress for support & comfort. It is a Simmons Beautyrest Silver Lyla Hi-Loft Pillow Top/Coussinet Hi/Loft 810003242. We did not purchase a new box spring as we think the one we have is still in good condition. We were told to give our new mattress some time to break it in as they said it would be firmer than the display model. Well we have given it over a month & we still wake up with lower back pain. Do you think we should have purchased a new box spring? Do you know much about this mattress?
Patricia, I used to sell Simmons Beautyrest. I will tell you the only way to know for sure is to have the designed boxspring made for the mattress. If the pain continues AND you know for a fact the mattress is the source of that pain then your going to have to make a switch to something else. I know of no specific back pain issues related to this mattress. Honestly each of their mattresses are designed pretty similar. Any significant differences would be in the layers of the upholstery, not in the coil springs. Perhaps a search on the net could provide a pattern of issues if not, probably was not the mattress for you. Best of luck. Doug
Ella,
I am at the end of my rope trying to find a tight top, cushion firm that is comfy and doesn’t sag in the middle. They all sag after several months and I have tried many. I am now looking into hotel mattresses, Hilton and Marriott. Expensive and no return policy. Do you have any thoughts on these. Both can be flipped which I like.
Thank you,
Diane
Hello,
I am at the end of my rope trying to find a tight top, cushion firm that is comfy and doesn’t sag in the middle. They all sag after several months and I have tried many. I am now looking into hotel mattresses, Hilton and Marriott. Expensive and no return policy. Do you have any thoughts on these. Both can be flipped which I like.
Thank you,
Diane
I have a kingsize bed that uses hook in rails on the head board and foot board. My brother damaged the right side of the head board where the rail hooks in cracking the wood and now all i can do is to prop up the rail with a few 2’x 4”s. I know the headboard is not repairable in that spot so i’m looking to replace the headboard but don’t know where to start to ask what type of headboard i would need or rather whats the part called that the hooks attached to the rails goes into. Thanks!!!!
Pete
Hi Peter, Rather than replacing the headboard you might be able to bypass the hooks and the hook in slots. Do a search for No Mortise Bed Frame Brackets – Connects Headboard & Footboard to Side Rails Hope this helps Doug
I am wondering if you can suggest which type of mattress would be best for an outdoor patio. We live in Louisiana and the humidity is high! as well as the rain. It will be under a covered patio but will not be in an enclosed space.
Anna, Not my area of expertise. I would Google Outdoor Mattress and Outdoor Mattress Cover. There seems to be some information relating to outdoor swing mattresses and outdoor daybed mattresses etc. Hope this gets you in the correct direction. Doug